It looked like he was going under. See Genesis 39— Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego also had a tough choice to make. They were ordered to worship a golden image or be thrown into a fiery furnace. They refused to bow down before the image. Instead, they stood up for what they believed, in spite of the seemingly dire consequences. These three young Hebrew men were delivered from their fiery fate and were promoted in the process. See Daniel chapter 3. We see in Galatians chapter 5 the godly characteristics we want firmly planted inside us. Against such things there is no law.
More elements of godly character are found in First Corinthians chapter It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. We often focus on the miracles Jesus performed during His life, and on His death on the Cross. Jesus showed us how we should live and act. He lived a godly life and set the example for us to follow. The destinies of our families and the people around us depend on our character. Our lives—our words and actions—will either draw others to the Lord or push them away from Him.
Account Login. Partner Login. Preorder Your Copy Today! How Often Do We Change? If Naselli, following Winter, is correct in the way he interprets this passage and I believe he is , then we need not conclude that Paul is mandating for every culture in every century that women pray, prophesy, and worship with their heads covered. Needless to say, what the head-covering meant for women in first-century Corinth is not what it would mean or communicate today. Covering the head was to distinguish them from the prostitutes in Corinth.
Corinth was full of prostitutes. The prostitutes in Corinth did not cover their heads. It is my understanding that prositutes had their heads shaved. So If you had short hair it appeared your shaven hair was growing out. Her short hair is as shameful as a shaven head. The Corinthians were Greek and Paul was Jewish. In these cultures, a man that grew out his hair as a woman exposed himself to ridicule or contempt. Eli Thank you for your post on 1 Cor I agree with you completely. Submission is something we choose to give.
It seems they are reading into scripture something that is not there. So I kept wondering. Let her accordingly be submissive. Second, regarding the head covering. If she is a Jew, let her cover her head. He said, This is what I teach all the churches. Let everyone be convinced in their own mind. Renee shalom, you should become our students you will so much more!
About head covering find everything that Michael Heiser says about it. Years ago I asked the Holy Spirit what is the reason for a woman to have a covering over her head when praying and prophecying. Well who is anyone of us to argue with the Lord?! Fascinating study. About female hair lenght, I remember Mary of Magdala drying Jesus feet with her hairs after washing and perfuming them. Hope this helps. Not too important. Jewish custom required men to cover their heads while praying because they were in the presence of God.
Women were and are if Orthodox or Conservative required to cover their heads at all times so as to not be a distraction to the men. Jesus revealed Himself in my secular language. Is this what speaking in tongues is? Is it strong? Can it begin with the Logos of God and repentance rather than the NT and evangelism? Kat, I think you will never really understand about speaking in tongues until you do speak in tongues.
And even then there is misunderstanding by many. You certainly may be right, although this is a much longer quotation than in chapter 7. It may also be referring to disruptive speech. In light of 1 Cor. In , Paul tells tongue speakers who have no one to interpret to keep silent and a prophet if another prophet begins to keep silent.
Neither of those is a permanent ban on speaking. Keep up the good teachings. Im in total agreement with you. We need sometimes to read the entire passage to get the total picture. These women were probably speaking in tongues all at once, or maybe interruption the message being preached by the men.
As Paul also says God is not the author of confusion…and we should all learn to control the spirit…all should be done in decency and in order. Yes, we have to look at the time and the place. Deborah was a judge over the people so He is not against women speaking. But I was taught, some years ago, that in the Corinthian church the women were prone to calling out to their husbands, asking questions, and generally disrupting the service.
So Paul said that at least while he was there the women were to keep quiet in church — e. So, this commandment that no female should have authority over a male makes sense. I always found it unfair that only women could get pregnant! The twelve disciples are also referred to as the apostles, and Jesus had many more disciples besides them, and said to the people he revealed himself to after his resurrection to make disciples of all nations.
The twelve were simply a representation of the twelve tribes of Israel. I think it would be helpful to allow for the distinction between ministry in general and ministry as it specifically relates to the church service or offices in the church. Of course, that would open a new conversation. How can one not speak about Jesus? In your own words you have just clarified a topic that has dogged and been misinterpreted by various but not all Christian churches over the last years; so thank you.
My point is great women like Deborah a prophetess the fourth Judge of pre-monarchic Israel. Once again, Thank you. Thankyou very much Eli for clarifying this subject. I just pray and hope many believers would read your article. God bless you real good! Doris Dokubo. I would agree with Rabbi David. It is about women having authority and teaching over men — this would not be the right order of things.
Paul was clear on this. Women, obviously can minister in the church and are equal to men. The Corinthian church in general seems unruly and in need of teaching order. There seems plenty of precedence in the bible for women ministering but none for having authority i.
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Thank you, Dr. Eli for your ministry to us. One time he had to go away for a protracted length of time, so the local men came to her and asked her to do Bible studies or instruction with them. So in the end she relented although it was men she was, I suppose you could say, leading or teaching. Maybe it all depends on circumstances. I used to be down on Paul about this until it came to my attention. Dr Eli, did Paul claim to speak for G-d, or is his work more comparable to a modern teacher such as a Billy Graham? Or is this question totally off the mark? No this is a very good question.
I thin that Paul did not fully understand how his letters would be used by both God and people. Is there evidence in the bible of women preaching whether in a congregation or privately? Prophesying and teaching with their head covered ie, by their husbands or an apostle, elder… yes, eg Philips 4 daughters, Deborah, Miriam.
However i have not read anything of women preaching. I understand that Priscilla is not mentioned apart from her husband. I have read commentaries that may not have a full understanding of what the scriptures teach. As Christ followers we seek truth under His leadership and guidance. Most of the times in the bible males are mentioned first like Adam and Eve ,. This typical in Jewish tradition!
Makes sense. However, we must be careful. Paul also said that women are not to usurp authority over a man. I think women can pray, prophesy, worship audibly, but must never assume a position of authority over a man or men. More modern German dictionaries refer to herrschen as dominate only in a metaphorical sense. Fewkes Dr. I have seen many men who are not leading anyone anywhere. That in its self is so sad.
The men seem to have lost their way in so much. To include leadership in the family as Christian men of the Lord. Perhaps Paul was wrong and a liar when he said. Along with many others the tongue speakers love to state that the gifts mentioned in that chapter are valid and for today but somehow relegate to a past era vv or being a problem that Paul had.
Also to use Priscilla taught publicly in a church is plain error. When a matter is rejected. Some English translations actually omit it! It was a Roman law that forbade women, not a Jewish law. God blessed them and many other women for their faithfuness and fearlessness to His Word. Maureen Harrison. Thank you Dr. May be Paul was responding to a particular situation in that church only,right? When he insisted on women appear with modest clothing in church with the intention of message get more attention than the speaker.. So Paul may refer to the closest statement when he mentioned the Torah.
Blessings to all. Paul, chosen by Jesus, was both Jewish and a Roman citizen. Jesus chose wisely! The Spirit of God worked through Paul. Can the same be said of the Roman governance of the Holy Land. I would enjoy an article by you on this specific topic. We are all equal before GOD.
How can we grow spiritually if our other half cannot give their equally sound teaching about all necessary aspects of life.?!. Come on,this is ,stop being so legalistic.
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I am a man who needs both sides of all issues in life. I really get the unhealthy feeling that there are far too many men feeling inferior to women.?. Sadly true,hmm.!?. No wonder our secular and Christian world cannot function and prosper fully the way GOD intended it.?. It would have been helpful to accept if one of the Apostles was a woman, if one of the deacons chosen by the apostles was a woman, if one of the bishops was a woman.
I believe women have roles to play in the body of Christ, but when it comes to authority in the church, I strongly believe the men are to be in charge. One of the reasons I think, is that women are naturally emotional and church leadership should never be based on emotions. However, women are not exempted from spiritual gifts. Thank you, Jerry. In early Church traditional there is strong current of thinking of Mary Magdalene as Apostle of the Apostles. I personally do not accept it because there is no reference to it anywhere in the scriptures. There are so many documentaries out there which do not have any scriptural correlation.
This is my conviction. Prophesying is to give testimony to other believers as different from making decisions. One needs to take other parameters into account, for instance the general structure of ancient society where slaves and women were owned literally by household heads, freemen who paid taxes. Not surprisingly anything relating to authoritative participation other than yielding testimony would be reserved to men, to ensure harmony with Roman law as a whole.
In Torah women play very important roles. Take for example Tzipora that saves Moses from the hand of God when God comes to take his life. We had both male and female teachers at schools I attended — and the best teacher of all was a woman who taught grades four through six in one room. Eli, you are likely correct in your evaluation! Maybe you missed the point — Paul is not talking about a law saying that women should not speak or teach. He gives several examples on order. Done in order and the husband agrees, women can teach.
If he argues against the quotation from the letter sent to him, it would make more sense. To keep business orderly and timely, only the men discussed it at the House of Business and then discussed it at home with their wives. Later, the men could discuss their various ideas and decisions again with the men. When the women ministers unto Yeshua and the apostles, they were serving them. When Paul said women not to speak in the assemblies it means in the church service or Torah readings and etc.
In other words not for the women to be like a pastor and go up and teach in front of the congregation. And of course to cover their heads in respect to their husband and Messiah if they are not married. This may or may not be related, but this bit from 1 Corinthians I find confusing…. Or perhaps he has to go back and ask another man to explain and then return and explain to his wife?
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Perhaps part of my problem in not understanding how services were conducted then…cont in my next post. It would be no use my going home to my husband to ask him things…he knows far less than I do about the Bible etc.
Other way he would write this to all churches. Very interesting thank you Dr Eli. From my embryology education all mammalian embryos start out as a female and if the Y chromosome is present then some sex organs are enlarged and some deleted. Just trying to bring more love and peace,health and respect among all peoples on earth. Sincerely, hugs and peace to all. The word Jewish Jesus? JESUS deliberately broke many of the man made rules enacted by the religion sect. In my embryology education all mammalian embryos start out development as a female and if the Y chromosome is present the sex organs are either enlarged or deleted.
I pray for more love and peace on earth. Hugs and love and peace to all. Eli, I saw you repeatedly saying it is Romans but not Torah that forbid female roles. But I have a genuine doubt. Does Torah ask women to keep themselves away during their menstrual cycle, and in that case is it practical to be actively involved in church activities? It doesnt say excercise authority over men, it says a man. If it was in a church then it would be men. I think Paul is talking about a wife Exercising authority over her husband here.
What do you think? Jean, you should ask another woman and she can ask her husband. Do this out of respect for your husband even though he is not there and for Messiah. And by all means if you cannot get an answer than do ask your pastor because you have no choice. At least you tried getting answer the way it suppose to be. Be strong! That makes sense…. Perhaps it would depend on the husband. Ultimately we should be thankful for the Faithful Prophetesses mentioned in the Bible.
If it was not for the faithfulness of Sarah and the promise made to Abraham we would not be where we are today. The Heavenly clock is getting closer to the appointed time when G-d will send His Son back to establish the Kingdom of God based in Jerusalem. Of course, it is mentioned later in 1 Corinthians. Shalom, Neil. Perhaps, I made a mistake there.
Thank you for bringing this up. Shalom to you also. The sad thing though is that it is quite possible to be an UnHoly Pentecostal which is I think what Paul was addressing with the Corinthians. Is it possible to include the prophetess and Judge, Deborah? Perhaps her position offers some added richness to this discussion. But at the same time their husbands would want to see them in services so they would hear the word and get saved. Twice the apostle Paul pointed on the same issue. Jesus words are spirit and they are life. His words struck the world like a gong, and it is still ringing.
They are much more rooted in the struggles of the day as he wrote to the churches to give practical advice in the day to day problems they were facing. They are what they are. Thank you, Nicholas. I agree this is a significant issue that must be approached with discernment and humility. Nicholas, great words! The gift of tongues expressed in Acts 2 was the true gift from God. Also present were unbelievers; Acts The words of John come to mind.
He tried to shut it down requiring interpretation. Others, perhaps looking for recognition among the congregation, willingly stepped up. Paul later referred to the gibberish as a prayer language…a prayer to God. Interpreter: Message. The sad fact is those who are not filled with the Holy Spirit and enjoying the requisite gifts are the very ones who try to explain these gifts.
It simply cannot be done! Tongues are mentioned in three different ways in the NT. This involves speaking in a known language which clearly could be understood by some as the Holy Spirit gives utterance. This gift had been misused by some. Interpretation is not required. Some have ignorantly misused this gift as well, allowing their flesh to be puffed up for vain-glory. I hope this explanation helps. A woman taught a High Priest! Paul juggled both beautifully. The victory is that Jesus did not submit to Roman law.
Women obviously were reached with or without their husbands! Look at how far we have come unless you believe in Biblical law without the law of the land! Surely speaking in tongues is Jesus making known Himself in our language. Our apologetics refutes doctrines but leaves us in the dark about original meanings. I have had discussions with other Christians who insist that women must be submissive, including when the husband is abusive or irresponsible.
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I tend to think this passage relates to that time and place. Here it is very difficult to go in-depth with this discussion. When Paul said women were not allowed to speak in church, and if they want to know anything they have to ask their husbands at home.
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I have male family members that ask me Biblical questions , do i ignore them? Wow, there is a lot of discussion. Paul is consistent between Corinthians and Timothy where he instructs Timothy about women. What is important here is that Paul is speaking for himself which he makes very clear. Many Bible believers say that the Bible makes this rule.
Paul is not speaking for God in this particular case which is an important consideration. Dale, perhaps you can reread the article and interact with it more. The point was not that he speaks for himself and not for God unless I misunderstood you , but that he is refuting the comments are usually ascribed to him! Hi Eli, As far as I know there was no Greco-Roman law against women speaking in religious assemblies.
As I understand it there were Greco-Roman priestesses who presumably spoke in assemblies. It all really starts and ends here Concentrating on prayer and service at the required times was very important. Husbands love your wives. Eli for your teaching. One of the things that jumped out was the passage concerning things being done in a proper way and in orderly manner.
We need discernment in the area as followers of Messiah. There are too many churches where there have been manifestations of things not being done properly and in an orderly manner but where members appear to go wild. One example I saw in a video was a Christian in a congregation suddenly run across an aisle, jump on top of the pulpit, danced a little, then jump down to the back. If so? Go Figure….. Paul referencing the law makes perfect sense to his argument. Whether it should be followed today or not is another arguments altogether.
Eli, I have looked at this question quite closely, and would sharply disagree with your conclusion. The book is on Amazon link below if you would like a discussion of the major passages. What is Truth? Faith and Opinion — There is a Biblical faith. How that faith relates to individual opinions of what is essential are considered and how we relate to one another in areas of opinion. Beginning at the Beginning — In Genesis we find the first interactions between man and woman.
What can we learn from the first pair? Galatians — The Magna Carta of Equality? Most who seek a wider role for women in participation and leadership in the church view this passage as central to their argumentation. Does it really apply? Heads and Hair — 1 Corinthians 11 and At first glance these passages seem at odds with each other; looking at them together, is there really a contradiction? Subjection, Submission, or Mutual Submission?
In what ways, if any, are women subject to men in the church? In what areas might there be mutual submission? Speaking, Shush, or Silence? Paul and Peter discuss specific activities for women. Where and how do any such restrictions apply? What About the Women? Numerous women are given significant attention through the narrative of Scripture.
What do we learn about their role in the religious life of their communities? How then should we live? Is this discussion one that benefits the church? Are we likely to see peace or dissension and division? I am wondering how much of this is a cultural thing since now many females do not wear scarfs on their head or hats unless they want to.
I just read something a few minutes ago which made me think part of this was cultural more than anything else. AS for Eve she should have thought that it would not be to her benefit to eat it so yes she was deceived but the fact she was looking at the fruit as being good and wondered in mind how it may taste is this possible. Thank you for your article. This part in I Cor and the other Scripture verses you quoted are not the only ones dealing with the issue of male and female roles and functions in the church.
Coming then to the next development relating the topic it is certainly unexpectable to be dealing selectively only with some verses covering a topic like the verses you quoted in your article but then omit other relevant verses and passages — in this case passasges like I Tim. The statement in I Tim 2 refering to the differentiation of the gender roles is backed up by the creation ordinances — something which cannot be overturned but being restored through the work of Christ.
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Your reference to Gal. We should be careful not to confuse our relationship with God with our relationship with each other. The Council for Biblical Manhood and Womenhood CBMW deals extensively with gender issues where they have numerous scholars who are going in depth into all the various aspects. Paul says at one point. For you may ALL prophesy one by one. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
For God is not of confusion,but of peace,as in ALL churches which would be called out of the saints. Paul is having to addressing several issues. Possibly one up manship,speaking out of turn,over each other,and he is having to set organization with these men. Who are bringing up the issue. The Corinthians are a bit of a free for all. THEN Paul basically breaks into issue about women. The Corinthians seem to have been having a male moment as it was a corrupt quarrelsome region.
Paul says What instead of his usual God forbid and then asked the Corinthians if the word he was bringing orginated with the Corinthians or with God? Then he reaffirms that Paul is passing on the commandments of God not the man law of that assemble or of the Corinthians. Again about one upper men.
We know Debra,as well as several other women in the Tanach. Paul was addressed by a lineal prophetess. Examples, from the Prophets shows us that prophesy can be a dangerous role for male prophets. They usually got physically attacked,hung in cisterns,killed, etc. The law in Torah that might vaguely apply: A woman could be overiden or have a vow nullify by a father or a husband.
That does not appear to apply in this case. These were gentiles not the actual Temple. With authority comes responsiblity. Word was given to Adam not Eve. Adam was irresponsible. If you want authority then you have to accept responsibility. In the NT some women prophets were mentioned including Junia. The 1st Evangelist to the gentiles was the Samaritan woman and the 1st to proclaim Yeshua had risen was Mary Magdelan.
Priscilla taught the Apostle, Apollos. As for the women that are mentioned in the new testament as ministers, there is no way for us to know if they ministered in front of a large group. There is a different dynamic at work in a large scale setting. Hi Chris, I encourage you to reread the article if you missed my point. I was demonstrating that Paul was not forbidding women to speak in Jewish or Gentile congregations. In Messiah there are no men and women, Jews and Gentiles. All are one in Him. But I also love to study scripture everyday and find myself drawn to bible scholars for their insight.
I feel like I have a lot of great knowledge to contribute to conversations at Bible studies and I feel like I could deliver a pretty great sermon on certain topics, but I feel like this passage has caused me to doubt the abilities God has given me. This article settled my heart. No person that thinks I am good will ever enter the Kingdom of God. Klaas Christchurch NZ. This is something I have believed for many years, but you have stated it very articulately. I have more to say about this, but this post is limited in the words that it will accept. Blessings in the Lord, Joe. That which was to be taught is described in the pastoral epistles as — 1.
So what does the Law say? There is no direct quote, and all suggestions are informed or uninformed opinions. The more consistent view would point back to Genesis 2 and male headship, but perhaps as much so to the understanding of the head of the home having overruling authority regarding the speech of his wife or daughter, particularly with reference to a vow Numbers This allusion would seem in keeping with the role of male headship designed by God.
It is to the practice of the Law that Paul affirms as a spiritual principle. However, we are not dependent on this allusion or inference for a Biblical doctrine. In support, a tertiary meaning of the Greek disjunctive hvj. It is this last meaning that evangelical feminists seek to use. Therefore, Paul does not mean what he earlier said in vss. No hate, just sadness. The main point of these three verses is that the Corinthians have not nor have evangelical feminists arrived at some self-recognized superior spiritual understanding that gives permission or right to invent practices inconsistent with Apostolic authority or with the practices of their fellow believers.
Eli, Great thread…!!! I totally agree that Paul is quoting a previous letter at 1 Co. He was a professional rhetorician note Mars Hill. This is wonderful rhetoric, as is the question following! Combined they are a powerful answer in rhetorical form! The KJV is the most literal and easiest translation for a teacher to use here to make your correct point.
My paraphrase of v. Hi should we as Gentiles only follow the teachings of Apostle Paul? The rest of the Bible God is speaking to the Jews.. GOD gave Paul a message that was a secret hidden for ages that was tailor-made just for us Gentiles. So believing Gentiles are invited to join not replace or remain segregated from Israel in being sons of God.
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